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I'm about as exhausted as anyone can be.  I don't have the strength for all the details, but I'll "sum up."  Tiffany showed up again last night, completely defiant and not at all remorseful.  I told her that her puppy had found a new home because she left him alone and was not taking care of him.  She called the police to report me for theft (sheesh).  Of course, the officer told her that I'm her mother and have the right to consequence her as I see fit.  Before he arrived, she hit me across the chest.  He didn't see that so he couldn't arrest her.  I called her therapist who told the officer that she needed to be taken to the hospital.  He didn't want to do that because "I'm not seeing anything dangerous in her."  OH MY GOD THE RIDICULOUS SYSTEM WE HAVE.  She raged and yelled, told him she didn't need medication and that she "lost it."  So at least that confirmed what I believed all along - that she was off  her medication.  The MH supporter called and talked to the officer again and told him that yes, he can take her to the hospital because her therapist is recommending hospitalization and it would be dangerous for her mother to try to take her because she'd probably jump out of the car, run away, assault her mom, pick one.   He finally said he would take her if she agreed.  I told him he needed to say, "You either need to ride with me or your mom because your therapist wants you to talk to someone."  Otherwise I knew she would refuse if he said something like, "You have to go in the hospital and your mom is going to take you."  After sitting at the assessment center until 2:30 AM, they finally agreed that she needed to be committed.  At 3:30, while waiting for a bed to open up at Holly Hill, I went to the back to see her.  She was still crying and raging about the "f-ing doctor."  She let me hug her, but quickly became angry when she wanted me to "talk them out of it."  I told them it wouldn't matter if I did, but that I wouldn't do that because she needed help.  After 30 minutes, I gave up and left.  I had to take Joshua to work at 8:30 so I only slept a couple of hours.  I guess this is going to be my life for awhile....

Oh, and to top it all off, my ex-husband decided to see what livejournal was all about.  He read all my entries, then picked yesterday to take terminal offense at the journal entry about the time he used my credit card for gambling when I was under the influence of Ambien.  I told him to f*^K off.  I sure as hell don't need his bullspit right now.  Joshua also had a meltdown this morning. I didn't need that either, but he apologized and if anyone deserves a little venting, he does.  He has patiently sat by and watched me go through hell with Tiffany and hasn't said a thing to her.  That has to be hard.

But for god's sake, I really just need a break, you know? 

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ymasen
Dec. 12th, 2008 04:15 pm (UTC)
oy on the ex. :/

You can always friends-lock your LJ - thing is, for the "amsses" who are reading your LJ and aren't friends, they won't be able to see the FL'ed ones but you could select which are friends only and which are public.

and more ((((hugs)))) to Rose.
ladyhelwynn
Dec. 12th, 2008 04:46 pm (UTC)
I also second friends-locking your posts (unless it is something you want everyone and their brother to read). Personally I think there are too many weirdo's out there for me to keep my posts unlocked.
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elizabethnmafia
Dec. 12th, 2008 04:20 pm (UTC)
*hugs*
narniarose
Dec. 15th, 2008 03:08 pm (UTC)
Thank you!
mushroom_maiden
Dec. 12th, 2008 04:24 pm (UTC)
big hugs...
narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:15 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the hugs!
widowspeak
Dec. 12th, 2008 04:25 pm (UTC)
Oh good grief. To put it bluntly, your ex-husband sounds like a self-centered twit. "Oh, she's having problems with her daughter. . .but she wrote about my acting like an ass? F*3K HER!"

*eyeroll* Way to have priorities there, dude.

Well, at least she's been admitted. That's a good thing, even if it was the last thing you probably wanted. Perhaps this will help her get back on the right track. Just make sure you take care of yourself in the meantime, otherwise you'll fall apart at the most inopportune moment. *hugs*
lady_guenievre
Dec. 12th, 2008 04:59 pm (UTC)
::points at comment above:: THIS.


**lots of hugs**
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isenglass
Dec. 12th, 2008 04:27 pm (UTC)
Sounds like some judicious friend-locking is in order.

((hugs!!!))
narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:15 pm (UTC)
Done. Thanks for the hugs!
amethyst_clan
Dec. 12th, 2008 04:28 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry, hon. :(

I had a stay in the mental hospital, though it was only for a 72-hour hold. But, really.. It was the best thing in the world for me. It made me realize that I needed to get help, and that I couldn't ignore what was going on with me.

I hope that your daughter has the same sort of epiphany. *hugs*
narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:16 pm (UTC)
She seems to be getting it somewhat, now that they have her back on her meds. She certainly does NOT want to be there! Thanks so much for sharing yourself with me.
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lesa
Dec. 12th, 2008 04:30 pm (UTC)
The thing about live journal that I found out the hard way is that sometimes people will try to use it against you. This is why all my entries are friends locked so that I have some control over who sees my posts because technically the internet does not afford us privacy.

My ex decided 2 years ago that he would print out entries that he deemed an "example of my turbulent lifestyle" in hopes of gaining custody of our children and liberating himself of child support. It's true that no matter how much we want to try and get along for the sake of children..there is always a reason that exes are exes.

He didn't succeed in the custody suit. BTW.

I know that you feel overwhelmed right now and I sincerely wish that there were something that I could say to ease your pain, confusion, or overall dismay. All I have to offer is that it will be okay somehow and that I am hear for you if you need anything at all.
narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:17 pm (UTC)
You know, just taking the time to write and share yourself is A HUGE GIFT. Thanks for doing that. I really believe that all of my new friends (and old ones!) on this journal are a big part of what is helping me get through all of this. It helps to know I'm not alone and that so many people care.
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spikywheel
Dec. 12th, 2008 04:32 pm (UTC)
God Trusts you a lot. You are the best thing for Tiff. She needs what you are giving her. Any less of a strong mother would have given up and just let her go.

She will thank you later.

My mom always used to say "better to have a really pissed off kid than a dead kid".
phoenix_defiant
Dec. 12th, 2008 05:02 pm (UTC)
well said.
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luscious_purple
Dec. 12th, 2008 04:43 pm (UTC)
*more gentle hugs* and make yourself a nice cup of cocoa or warm milk. You need to take care of yourself for yourself and Joshua. I'm sure Tiffany is being well taken care of.
narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:19 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the hugs! Is it OK that I had a glass of wine instead? (smile)
ladyhelwynn
Dec. 12th, 2008 04:50 pm (UTC)
*hugs*

I'm glad you were able to get Tiffany to a facility. I think that is probably what she needs. At the least, you aren't worrying about her on the street or being abused by her at home. I hope she realizes that she needs help and that she needs you as her supportive family.

I know it's hard, but do try to take care of yourself too.

*great big hug*
narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:20 pm (UTC)
Thanks, dear! It is certainly a relief for now to have her there. And they should keep her at least long enough to get her more stable on her medication before she comes home. Onward and upward!
baronalejandro
Dec. 12th, 2008 05:05 pm (UTC)
You're in my thoughts every day.
narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:21 pm (UTC)
Thank you, friend. I miss your long posts. I hope that you are enjoying your new life out there.
phoenix_defiant
Dec. 12th, 2008 05:06 pm (UTC)
Please get some rest and be kind to yourself. You have gone way above & beyond for Tiffany- even as her mom. I'm so sorry to read that she hit you. :(
I hope that she will get all of the help she needs.
I've been meaning to give you a call. I'll try to remember to do so.
*hugs*
-diana
narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:23 pm (UTC)
Thank you! And I'd love to hear from you.
shonao
Dec. 12th, 2008 05:08 pm (UTC)
I'm actually glad that if she even vaguely listens to anyone it's her therapist...even if it's only a little bit...

***hugs***

you can handle this. But at some point you have to allow yourself about an hour of break-down time, too.
narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:23 pm (UTC)
Thanks! I rested most of the weekend and I'm feeling stronger.
lorebubeck
Dec. 12th, 2008 05:25 pm (UTC)
Bi-polar is such a difficult disease. Add teenager on top of that and well....

You seem to have the patience of Job and you're gonna need it. Will continue sending good Karma thoughts your way.
narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:23 pm (UTC)
Thanks! Good karma is very welcome. You are lovely in that picture!
cinnion
Dec. 12th, 2008 05:36 pm (UTC)
First of all... lots of huggs... you are not alone!!! There are others who have similar problems, with only the names or transgressions being different... oh Creator how I know that!!! (as does lesa it appears).

Regarding the officer, the therapist, and "MH professional" who appears to be a third person... if you can in a few days, talk to them, together briefly if possible, and find out why you had the issues you had last night. As one of my other friends has told me (you spoke with her a bit as well), the officer does not have to if he sees no threat. But it may also be that things were not phrased in just exactly the right way. Of course, the therapist or MH professional could have filled out the paperwork as well (heaven knows my friend has done it enough times). Thankfully, you managed to get things moving to the point where your daughter is now getting the help she needs.

Now, as has been mentioned, friends-only locking is a good thing. If after looking around you find you want some help friend-locking your posts, please let me know. But in my case, so that you know what you can do, my default set in my viewing options (found on the journal pulldown menu) is "Friends Only" (I could have set it to "Private", and it can also be set to "Everybody"). This restricts viewing to those who are considered to be your friend. You can also setup custom friends lists, and then restrict viewing of entries to members of those groups. So I have a list for SCA friends, but also have a couple of other groups which are more restrictive subsets, as well as others for family, etc.

Well, back to work for me. Take care, and remember that when you hug friends and loved ones, they generally hug you back. (whisper)That is the secret to stealing hugs. Huggs!
narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:25 pm (UTC)
That's an excellent suggestion. I work for the State Division of Social Services, and I truly hope to be able to sit down when things are calmer and do a complete evaluation of this process to see what I might be able to do to at least start a dialogue about system processes. I'm also pursuing my Masters in Social Work next fall and hope to eventually be in a government position where I can utilize both my professional and personal experiences to really effect change.
jloopy
Dec. 12th, 2008 05:54 pm (UTC)
been there, done that -- the whole hospitalization thing. in fact, i could have written that entry myself -- exact same scenario with my own daughter. unfortunately, more than once.

hang in there. i know its tough. believe me, i know.

and yes, lock your entries. but, it is also true that LJ is not extremely secure. unfortunately, i have simply gotten to the point that i strictly edit anything i say. it sucks because LJ used to be a great place to vent and get advice but it caused too many problems with RL people. LJ is very easily hacked.
narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:26 pm (UTC)
Thanks for sharing your experiences. And thanks for the encouragement!
weaverrhi
Dec. 12th, 2008 06:03 pm (UTC)
locking and meds
Yep.. I fourth (or fifth) the motion for F-locking (but please add me as a friend first!) Do what you need to to protect YOURSELF.

Taking Tiffany to inpatient treatment was the best call. By hitting you, she proved that she is at the very least a danger to others (the ones she cares about and who care about her are the ones most in the life of "fire").

The one thing with bo-polar folks is that often they decide they "don't need" the meds to they stop taking them and they can't see when the slide starts.

You did the best thing for Tiffany, the puppy and yourself. I'm sorry it's all coming down on you at once.

Be kind to yourself. You can't help her if you're so far under you can't see daylight for yourself. As bad as it sounds; it's not just you and her; you have Joshua, work and your own life. It's truly not all about her.

You are loved and respected by folks the world over and then some. Never forget that you are worth the world.
jannedoe
Dec. 12th, 2008 06:20 pm (UTC)
Re: locking and meds
I also agree that f-locking is a good idea for your family's protection.
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jannedoe
Dec. 12th, 2008 06:18 pm (UTC)
Truly, when it rains, it pours. I've been praying for you guys every night since I heard about Tiffany's story. I hope things get better for your family, that Tiffany responds to the help she needs.

Hang in there, hun. You are not facing this alone. You've got a whole army of spiritual support behind you, wishing you the very best.
narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:27 pm (UTC)
Prayers received and working! Thank you so much for all you are doing.
shes_precious
Dec. 12th, 2008 06:48 pm (UTC)
I am so sorry, but I'm really glad she's somewhere where she can get counseling and medication that she needs.

And your ex-husband needs to get over himself.

*gentle hugs*

Go take a nice long hot bath. Then treat your son to some surprise and Mom-time. Even if it's just an ice cream.
narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:28 pm (UTC)
Thank you! I had a very restful weekend and Joshua and I enjoyed some quiet time together.
isabelladangelo
Dec. 12th, 2008 07:16 pm (UTC)
Hon, super big hugs to you and Tiffany. You are both still in my prayers.

I'm actually against locking all your posts. Locking a few posts that have information that you may not want to get out to everyone (like I lock the work stuff) is great. However, I like leaving my posts such as the silly meme's or the costuming stuff open because I want people who might breeze by, read it, and like it, to friend me and for me to friend them back. It's how I found a good part of my friend list.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:29 pm (UTC)
Thanks. I am going to try to figure out how to do the locking only on select posts. I also don't like locking my posts because I like for us all to be able to learn from each other's struggles. But when you have malicious people out there, I guess it's wise to lock some.
bantiarna
Dec. 12th, 2008 07:28 pm (UTC)
Your son deserves all kinda of kudos for being the third wheel here and not cutting and running. NOW I feel like the emails can go out saying she has been found and is safe.
narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:29 pm (UTC)
Thank you! And yes, he's my big super teddy bear guy and I love him. My other son will be home on Monday on leave from the Army!
thlmakai
Dec. 12th, 2008 07:32 pm (UTC)
Hugs. That had to be hard. I'm hoping she improves once she's back on her medicine.
narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:30 pm (UTC)
Thanks. She already seems to be sounding better.
hippydippydncr
Dec. 12th, 2008 07:48 pm (UTC)
OH MY
Dearest Rose,
I have worked with children in Tiffany's condition. IT is so hard...tough love is the only love and yu did a fine job....
As for you son....What a dear young man...you must be so proud of him!
as for you Ex....oh my my mother use to say, regrdless of the type of relationship one has with them..."Men, cant live with them, cant vaccum them up!" and let me tell you the Colonel..(my Dad) so totally deserved that! Even my Tony does at times
narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:30 pm (UTC)
Re: OH MY
LOL. Your mom was very wise! Thanks for your support, beautiful Bambi!
beatrixherald
Dec. 12th, 2008 08:23 pm (UTC)
I guess you CAN lock her up. It is probabbly best for her. AND YOU!

Let her be in there for a few days and DON'T visit. Give her her space. Show her how much it sucks when she doesnt have you to help her out.

You need the break. This weekend spend some quality time with Joshua (sounds like he needs it). Rest at home knowing she is safe AND not around to stress you right now.



narniarose
Dec. 16th, 2008 01:32 pm (UTC)
I have let her know that I'm here for her and she's coming home, but I haven't visited yet. Tonight will be the first time. She also asked me to bring her some clothes. All of her clothes were lying in a filthy pile on her floor. So I grabbed some to take and told her, "You'll have to wash them, because you didn't have any clean ones."
cowboy_r
Dec. 12th, 2008 08:38 pm (UTC)
The important thing is that, even if she's unhappy about it, Tiffany is in a safe place right now, and you can relax from worrying about that, at least.
cowboy_r
Dec. 12th, 2008 08:41 pm (UTC)
PS... I added you to my f'list. I'm interested in Tiffany's tale as it unfolds, but I also see that we have interests in common... I went to North Carolina State University, and know the Triangle area well. I'm currently the herald for my local SCA group.
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